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What’s your name? I am Doctor Chelsea McIsaac. I am a chiropractor here at Anchor in Keswick.

Who commonly comes to see you for low back pain?

So, low back pain is one of the most common complaints that chiropractors see as a whole.

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But here at Anchor, we do treat a pretty large perinatal population. And by perinatal I mean women who are pregnant and are expecting either their first, second, third child or women who have just given birth or who are several months, two years postpartum. So in general, the patients that I see a lot for low back pain are in that perinatal population of really good.

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just because your, our intonation and the way we speak has to change their conversation. Gotcha. You introduce yourself now might be different than the way you introduce yourself halfway through. Gotcha. So it’s okay to do twice in 3 to 5? Perfect. Awesome. Who are you? I am Doctor Chelsea. I’m a chiropractor here at Anchor Health and Fitness Center in Keswick, who commonly comes to see you for a little background.

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So here at Anchor, we see a lot of perinatal patients, and primarily in my practice, my low back pain patients are in that population. So women who are currently pregnant and expecting a child, or women who have already given birth and are coming to me with a low back pain complaint. Why would a new mom go about doing low back pain in new moms is so, so common?

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And one of the things I see the most with my parents who are coming in, who’ve just had a baby, is an extension of the low back pain that they had while they were pregnant. So during pregnancy, the load of the baby, that change in the way that the mom has her weight around her back, it really can contribute to new or different low back pain to what they’ve had before.

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So when mom gives birth to baby, oftentimes the change in the shift in her body, it doesn’t just come right back. You’re not going to just have the same lower back or lower back discomfort that you had before you were pregnant. So when new moms are coming in, they’re suffering from sort of a continuation of the low back pain that they had during pregnancy, that maybe wasn’t addressed by their practitioner.

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Or it could be that now they are bending down to pick baby up. They’re twisting, they’re sitting, they’re not getting as much sleep. All of those could be factors in creating a new low back pain that perhaps they didn’t have during their pregnancy or before they were pregnant. So there are so many different reasons why a new mom could have low back pain, But it’s really my job to work with them and to get to the bottom of not just why they’re having the low back pain, but to give them sort of a way forward, how we can work together to get them out of the low back pain cycle.

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So what exactly has low back pain? Low back pain is different for every patient. And oftentimes someone will come in and say, I’ve really hurt my back. But what they’re saying is that they’ve hurt sort of the lower portion that’s not on the spine directly, but it could be muscular or I’ve really hurt my back, but it’s kind of the middle back area.

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So what I like to do with my patients is to have them point toward where they’re having pain and describe the ways that that pain is aggravated. So low back pain could be something from the joints in the spine like you see over here. All on the side there. It could also be from something like a ligament that’s been super, super tight, that’s overstressed.

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Overworked can also be muscular. So it truly does depend on the patient, what the patient is experiencing, what they need to do in their daily life, physically, all of these things can contribute to different types of lower back pain, and it’s really different from one patient to the next. And we have a lot of second cases, right? Gotcha.

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Yeah. The other thing is it looks like it’s coming out of the top of your head. maybe it is. Because if you use it to look at that, I think that’s more powerful than just looking at it. Gotcha. So you know how it moves and just pick it up. Where you where do you want it? Seamus? So there you put it like, actually, yeah, Yeah, that’s better.

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Now you’re going to be me because we have to go back and say it all again. Knew anything? Okay, It’s going to teleported me, okay, If we don’t start over. I’m sorry. No, that’s okay. It’s okay. Because I wanted to make a reference, which is about moms with with low back pain. I think they’re talking about relaxing is a really important thing.

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Okay. Reference during pregnancy. Yeah. And a quick thing that I say is it works for you to say. As I say, during pregnancy, your body goes through an incredible transformation that affects your muscles, your joints, and your ligaments. So when you give birth, your body doesn’t just snap right back to where it was. It has to transform once again.

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And then I think it would be important to say because of focus with growth, go to say, part of the part of being pain free is being strong and when you’re pregnant, your core separate right is recti. And so if you have a muscle that isn’t as strong as it once was, sometimes your back has to compensate for what your core can’t do, and that causes pain, right?

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If that works better. Because what you said was really good tying those other things and we’ll lose that nicely when we go to the gym and you’re doing okay is there you know, there’s that little steel that that plant sitting on. Is there another little stool like that we put the spine on and I can find something. Yeah.

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Right, Holly, do You don’t have to change. Are you comfortable? I’m good. Good, good. Sure. That’s okay. And are rowing. And action. Who are you? I am Doctor Chelsey. I’m a chiropractor here at Anchor Health and Fitness Center in Keswick, who commonly comes to save for a lot of the patients that I treat here at Anchor for low back Pain are primarily in the perinatal population.

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So by perinatal I mean patients who are currently pregnant, so prenatal and patients who are after pregnancy. So post Natal have just given birth or gave birth within the last few years. Why wouldn’t you want to go back? And so back pain is extremely common for not just new moms in that postnatal population, but during pregnancy. So during pregnancy your body experiences a massive amount of change, not just what you see physically with the growth of the belly, with baby growing, but really at a deeper level.

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So it truly affects the joints in the body, specifically in the lower back, the ligaments around not just where the baby sits, but that support, that lower back and also the different types of muscles and connective tissue. So during pregnancy, one big thing that happens as that baby starts to grow is that the body naturally releases a hormone called relaxin.

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And it’s exactly as it sounds. It allows moms body to start to relax and open up and spread through the pelvis in preparation for birth. And while that is an excellent and extremely intelligent thing that the body does, it can create a cascade of pain inducing effects for the mom, not just during pregnancy, but especially after when they become a new mom.

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So after we give birth and the body has opened and changed to facilitate that process, we don’t just snap back. Right? And we see so much now on social media, this snap back culture. But at Anchor, we’re really trying to get away from that idea and demystify that postpartum period or that fourth trimester. So when new moms come to see me and they have low back pain, you know, like anyone else with pain, they they want that pain to go away.

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But ultimately, their entire focus is on their baby. So if they are doing things during pregnancy that feel good and then after pregnancy with their new baby, like bending to pick them up, putting them down from the crib, twisting, turning with this new change that they have experienced in their body, it can cause a lot of pain. So what we do at Anchor and what I do with my new moms who are coming in with low back pain is help to educate them, Right?

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So during pregnancy, when the baby is pushing mom’s organs around to try and make room, it’s also separating a lot of the muscles that we need as human beings to support our lower back. So the ABS that you have here, your core literally will separate to make room for the baby. Well, that doesn’t just knit itself back together when baby comes out.

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Right. And moms don’t just immediately have a flat stomach once they give birth. So after they give birth, they’ve got this separation all along their abdomen and they’re not able to use those muscles that are there to support movement through the lower back. So what we do here at Anchor is really encourage a strengthening of those core muscles and educate and to help them know which movements are going to be pain inducing or movements that can leave their lower back vulnerable and how they can start to use those muscles and reinvigorate them, bring them back to doing what they need to do in order to reduce that low back pain.

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So it’s an ongoing process. It involves manual treatment here in the clinic, but a lot of time and attention in the gym as well. What types of, you know, kids contribute to all of that? So one of the biggest things that I see in perinatal patients is pain with picking baby up from the ground or from the crib.

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So getting down into that position and leaning forward, if we’re not focusing on what those core muscles in the front are doing, it can just stress the muscles, the ligaments and the joints in the lower back. So once they’re bending over and then they pick up their bundle of joy, that can really cause a negative effect in the lower back if they’re not focused on what their core is doing.

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Because now you’re adding a weight that’s outside of your center of mass around the belly button. And that in itself, as you go to lift that up and bring it into the chest, can cause a lot of pain and dysfunction in the low back. So that’s probably the number one thing that I hear from moms. Another thing is just general movement, like getting up and down.

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So lying on the bed or lying on the ground and then getting yourself up into a sitting and then a standing position. We rely so heavily on our core muscle for movements like that, and we don’t realize it. So if the core muscle is not functioning the way we need it to, like new Moms would experience after that separation during pregnancy, they can’t utilize those muscles the way that they need to.

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So oftentimes we immediately try and sit up into a crunch position to get to sitting from a laying position. But because we don’t have the strength in the core to support that, all of the load is going on to the lower back. And that in itself can either exacerbate existing low back pain or can create back pain that wasn’t there before.

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So in general, that lifting from the ground and up and then going from position changes laying to sitting, sitting to standing, that’s generally what I see is is the most common aggravating factor for low back pain. Who are you? I am Doctor Chelsey. I’m a chiropractor here at Anchor Health and Fitness Center in Keswick. What exactly is low back and low back pain is kind of a misnomer for so many different things.

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It can mean something different for one patient than another. So a lot of people will tell me that they have low back pain, but what they’re really talking about is pain in the hip or pain in the mid back. But low back pain is sort of a hot button topic. So a lot of people just assume I’ve got low back pain.

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So what I like to do with my patients is have them point to exactly where they’re experiencing their low back pain. So sometimes it can be a truly into the low back. So if you look over here at my spine, the low back starts at about this level here and comes all the way down. So this here is the sacrum.

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But when we’re talking about the lower back, we’re really focusing on this here. Now, when a patient has low back pain, it’s often not just going to be here, right? It’s not just going to be involving the joints. It can involve the nerves that come out here, can involve the discs that are here. But what you don’t see on this model is all the different muscles, ligaments, tendons that are all around this area.

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So low back pain can be joint related just like this. But in the vast majority of cases there’s more than just a joint issue going on. So when we think about low back pain, we think not just about the spine here, but we’re also looking at the different muscles, the ligaments, the tendons of not just this area, but above it here in the mid back and lower in the sacrum.

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So it’s all about determining exactly which structures are causing that discomfort, that lower back pain, and trying to work with the patient to figure out how we can help them reduce that pain. So how do you treat low back pain as a chiropractor? So as a chiropractor, low back pain is pretty much our bread and butter. It’s the first type of treatment that we learn how to do when we’re in school.

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And it’s one of the most common complaints that we have from our patients that come to see us. But just like every patient is unique, every chiropractors approach to treating is unique, including my own. So when I am treating somebody for low back pain, absolutely. I’m going to do some manual therapy here in the clinic. And that therapy can involve adjustments, which is that crack that a lot of people associate with chiropractic.

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But that’s just a very small piece of the pie when it comes to my treatment approach for low back pain. It’s going to involve releasing any muscle tension, any ligament tension around the area, and it’s going to involve a lot of soft tissue work. So that can be used with cupping, with vibration therapy, with a soft tissue tool to really help to release the muscle tension or the tissue tension around the aggravated joint.

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Now, the biggest component of care and the most important and longest lasting is exercise is active care, and a lot of people aren’t coming to a chiropractor to exercise. They’re coming because they’ve got low back pain and they just want to get cracked and get out the door. But that has been shown through a multitude of different research that the manual care is not going to do it alone.

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It’s not going to give the patient long lasting relief from their lower back pain. So perhaps the biggest component of my treatment approach to lower back pain is active care and education. So we talk about how the tissues around the lower back have been either damaged or dysfunctional from either pregnancy or a various injury, and then how we can help to rehab rebuild that muscle tension, muscle tension and get it to function in a more optimal way.

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So I’ll do that both in the clinic here and also in the gym, specifically for my perinatal patients. We run a program here at Anchor called the Graco AB Rehab Program, and that is an excellent clinically driven program that we use to teach new moms, not just about the anatomy that could be damaged or could be dysfunctional, but we give them tools to strengthen that anatomy and give them tips and tricks for how to avoid pain, provocative situations in their daily life.

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So that program, combined with semi-regular LA manual therapy here in the in the clinic room, has shown excellent results for the type of low back pain population that I treat here at Anchor, which is the perinatal population. Okay, hold on. Can we go back to where you said something? We rehab program. Yeah. Yeah. In history to try to fix your kids.

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And you say, I don’t know what that means. Needle rehab. Okay. I’ve never heard that term. I wouldn’t have known. Postnatal. Yeah. I love the way that you talk about that. Okay. So just go for it just from there. Yeah. What’s the name? Okay, so one of the programs or tools that we utilize here at Anchor to help with that active care component for low back pain in perinatal patients is the gro co postnatal rehabilitate action program that I teach here in the gym with some of our other chiropractors.

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So the Graco program is really one of a kind. It is a twofold program. It involves both active care led by chiropractors who are trained in rehabilitation of the core, but also an educational component. So we’re not just running women through a circuit trying to give them a six pack abs. We’re really taking the time to step back and talk to them about the anatomy, about the different things that have contributed to low back pain during and after pregnancy.

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That program has been transformational for a lot of the patients that I’m seeing in the post natal population, because it wasn’t talked about even five, ten years ago. And this new approach to treating lower back pain, not just manually here in the clinic, but also with active care and education in the gym, has given me the best results that I’ve seen with my perinatal low back pain patients.

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Are there any proactive measures your patients can take to prevent or the likelihood of work? I know. I’m sorry. And I have my water there. Ali, thank you. Water I’d love to hear. And I have this written down there, but I think a lot of people, when they start something, you don’t know what to expect. You walk me through what it would look like if I showed up.

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So, like, what does an appointment with you as a new mom look like? Okay, you could say something like, We welcome you in your baby’s welcome. We take great care to make you comfortable because we know how tough it can be to get a house. Yeah, whatever you’re doing. Done. Okay, if that’s okay. I just think, of course, that picture is know I love it.

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Subtle nerves of it. All right, Good, good. I don’t know what your last question was. Go for it. Well, this is a treatment as a new mom, like, Okay, so generally, treatment as a new mom depends on what you’re going through. So if you are coming in with low back pain again, treatment is going to be different for every patient.

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So once we get to the bottom of exactly what’s causing your lower back pain, we will do likely a variety of treatments here in the clinic room that could be manipulation, which is that crack sound that a lot of people associate with chiropractic. But it can also involve a lot of soft tissue release. And I’ll do that manually with soft tissue passes or using instruments like cups or vibration tools or even a soft tissue instrument.

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But it truly depends on the patient, and every patient is unique. So no treatment is going to be cookie cutter. Nothing is going to be the same for one patient to the next. So we typically will start in the clinic room doing some manual treatment. And then we always, always incorporate an active care and education component that we will sometimes do here in the clinic room.

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But most of the time we head over into the gym for that. So I love your answer. It could have been CCS, but if I’m a new mom that knew nothing about chiropractic and my back hurts, I don’t give a hoot about education. I try to fix it right. And we can say all we want about the nervous system and you’re fixing yourself.

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But that’s not going to get people in the door. So I want to hear you say like if you have low back pain, you show up to anchor, we will take care of you. I will get you into my treatment room that you comfortable? And I do an assessment using these tools for my new moms. We do a diocese’s regular assessment and I want to hear you talk about what sets us apart from a regular six week checkup, because I haven’t heard anything yet about doing a diocese’s recti check or a glute check.

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So you just want me to talk about what the first appointment like, What does a treatment look like with you and every case? That was great. You really say anything that would hit if I’m not. Also a chiropractor? Okay. Active care is not what I think. I just think ab rehab is a word that’s going to hit more people.

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So maybe Laura can ask again. And I want to hear you say like anger is a very mom friendly environment. Bring baby in with you. We love to see your little one. Once you’re comfortable, we’re going to check up on your core to see where your separation is, to establish a baseline. That’s the alpha measure we use when we go over to the gym.

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And I run you through all of the core glutes and pelvic floor exercises that are going to help you with your low back pain. I maybe that’s I just think about that. I would like to hear. I didn’t know. Health care. Okay. Yeah. Okay. What does a treatment look like as a new mom? So when a new mom comes into anchor, the first thing we want to ensures that they’re comfortable can be an uncomfortable experience.

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When you’re bringing baby somewhere new or you’re afraid about whether or not your baby is welcome to come. So initially, from the from the outset, we make sure that moms know they can always bring their babies or their older children to every appointment, every time that they come into anchor. So, you know, new mom will come in with baby.

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We love seeing the little ones come in. We make sure that mom is comfortable and baby is comfortable. We keep toys in all of our rooms. We also have great pillows that especially newborn babies love to be sort of laid down and it really hugs them and typically keeps them calm. Now, during the course of an appointment with the new mom, of course, if baby is crying or baby’s uncomfortable, we make sure that the moms know they can stop the appointment at any time, tend to baby do whatever needs to be done, whether that to changing or feeding.

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Absolutely. Whatever we can do to make sure that mom is comfortable. So once we have you in the room, it’s all about trying to figure out your body and assess exactly what’s gone on during pregnancy and now in the postpartum period. So once you are comfortable, I have a new mom on the table and I’m looking for a lot of different things specific to postpartum.

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So in pregnancy, once we have that AB separation from the baby taking up most of the space in the abdomen, I want to assess where that separation is postpartum. So we do a check for what’s called the distances recti, and that’s a separation of the abs. And it involves engaging the core in a variety of ways. And what I’m really looking to see is the depth and the distance of the separation of those abs.

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And once we have that idea, it’s really going to make more sense. Once we move into the latter part of the treatment for how mom can work toward strengthening and closing that distance in the ABS, another huge component in a postpartum assessment is glute and pelvic floor function. So oftentimes times when you are pregnant, there’s so much pressure being put on the pelvic floor and with the new weight of the baby, your glutes typically don’t function as we would want them to outside of that period.

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So once the mom has had her baby, I’m really looking to assess whether or not the pelvic floor is functioning the way it needs to be. So if mom is having any leakages, if there’s peeing with sneezing, things like that, those are really what I want to know. And we work to assess the strength of those muscles here in the clinic.

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And like I said, the last portion would be the glute tension. So we really need strong glutes to support movement through the lower chain. So the lower body and I work to assess muscle tension and the muscle tone of those glutes. And then that combined with the core assessment and the pelvic floor assessment, will really give us a good idea of a baseline of where the new mom is at.

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Once we have that baseline, we then go into the gym and I show the new mom the different types of core exercises, glute exercises and pelvic floor exercises that she’ll need to do in order to work on any of that dysfunction that we found in those muscle groups. And it makes a big difference to explain to mom exactly what’s going on and say, well, when I felt this in your ABS separation or when I had you test this muscle, well, now that’s exactly what we’re working here in this exercise.

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And it tends to hit home a lot more when we take the time to ensure that the new mom knows exactly what we’re talking about and then take it to that next level that a lot of other practitioners aren’t doing, where we get them into the gym and show them exactly how we want them to engage those muscles to help that rehab process.

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Okay, I don’t want more just to describe the Greco program. Yeah, we could use that. So we could ask like, what is a Greco program? And you can say it’s a six week, twice a week, hour long task. All of the pillars of Breathwork posture, core pelvic floor and glutes, your babies are welcome to join us. Sure. And you can say many moms let us know that it was one of the best things that they did for themselves.

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Something like that. Okay. Which they described. That girl can describe the girl code program. So the Grow Call postpartum fitness program that we offer here at Anchor is one of the best types of treatments that we can do here for our perinatal population. So the girl code program is a six week exercise program that involves twice weekly, 60 minute classes.

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In these classes, we focus on a variety of treatment styles from an active perspective. So we’re looking at posture, we’re looking at core work, we’re looking at glute work, and we’re looking at pelvic floor function. So in all of the classes we hit on all these different pillars of movement and in addition to that, we encourage moms to bring their babies, even to bring their toddlers if they’ve got older children.

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And it really breeds this sense community for these new moms who may feel isolated like they are having this pain that maybe other moms are not having. So it really brings great group atmosphere where everyone is working together, everyone’s learning together, and you get to meet this incredible community of other women. Now we have two different levels of the Grow Code program.

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So level one would be for our new moms who are 6 to 8 weeks postpartum looking to come in into their sort of first foray exercise after they’ve given birth. Now, a lot of our moms will do the level one program more than once until they feel comfortable to get ready for the Level to Grow program. The level two program focuses on those same pillars of core activation, pelvic floor function, postural work and glute strength.

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But it just takes it up to the next level. So we’re using some different equipment. We’re loading those tissues differently as well, and that is what’s going to set them up for exercise after the Graco program. So typically we will assess mom before she is recommended for the Graco program. And we’re looking at core function, glute strength, pelvic floor function as well.

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And once we have that baseline, we know in that Graco program where exactly we want to focus in with that new mom. At the end of that six week program, we will typically reassess mom and see how we’ve done and how she’s done with that work for the core, the glutes, the pelvic floor and pastorally. And then together we determine with Mom if they want to repeat that same level or if they want to move on to the next level.

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It’s an excellent program. It’s led by chiropractors here at Anchor, and we have found excellent results both in the clinic with how our patients are feeling, but with what the patients are telling us, right? That feedback that they haven’t experienced a program like this before or they wish they’d had this when they’d had their first child, and hearing that feedback is so wonderful for us as chiropractors here at Anchor because it lets us know that this new program that we’ve put out is doing exactly what we had hoped that it would.

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And it’s helping moms, both physically and also mentally, emotionally, with the connections that they build here with both us as our chiropractors and with other moms or anything else you want to say for low back pain? I don’t think so. In general, I little flex that we could. I think he said everything that was. Yeah. I don’t know.

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It depends on how like I can talk about like my treatment approach versus someone else. I mean, I don’t know, I like it’s pretty clear You’ve talked a lot about what you do and like married the two manual it exercise really well together and maybe you can just say I’m accepting new patients in all ages. And that’s something.

00:37:45:19 – 00:38:04:06

Yeah, like it was a call to action that we could end off with if we needed to. Something like you could find me an anchor. Yeah, before I even. Even if your hours change, it doesn’t really matter. You can find me at anchor Monday to Friday. The Grateful program is eligible to be covered by your chiropractic benefits, and my sessions tend to sell out.

00:38:04:06 – 00:38:45:02

So if this speaks to you, don’t wait. Okay. I like it. Okay. I am happy to be accepting new patients here at Anchor. I am treating Monday through Friday and alternating Saturdays and I’m treating kids anywhere from four years old and up, and especially that perinatal population. So if you’re a new mom who’s looking to try out something new for any back discomfort you’ve been having, or if you’ve had kids before and are looking to try something different to help your discomfort, I would love to see you here at Anchor.

00:38:45:04 – 00:39:09:01

In addition, that Graco post-natal fitness program is potentially covered by your chiropractic benefit. So if that’s something that speaks to you, if that’s something that you’re interested in trying, please come in book an assessment we can chat all about the different options that you have for both Graco and manual treatment here at Anchor. Good. That’s a wrap. Good job.

00:39:09:01 – 00:39:21:17

Okay, so you guys on that go do the interview. People are allowed to check on my mom. That’s in the background, man. Yeah, I thought we could probably do your treatment first.